Rick Buhrman & Paul Buser - Find Your X, Nurture Your N - [Invest Like the Best, EP.346]

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At a Glance

The guests are Rick Buhrman and Paul Buser, former public equity investment managers for the University of Notre Dame endowment and co-founders of Sator Grove. The main theme of this episode is: extracting the underlying logic of "compounding" from case studies of the world's top capital allocators, and applying it to build an investment entity characterized by "permanent capital, rooted in love." The most significant judgment in the entire episode is: the core of investment success lies not in identifying the high-growth rate "X," but in infinitely extending the "N" (time exponent) of compounding through the correct structure, trust, and habits, because "any number multiplied by zero is zero"—once compounding is interrupted, everything resets to zero.

Topic Sections

1. From "Agent" to "Principal": The Structural Design of Sator Grove

Rick Buhrman and Paul Buser argue that the agency problems inherent in traditional investment institutions (funds, endowments) systematically interrupt compounding, and that a permanent capital structure is the fundamental solution.

• Historical Context: The two managed the public equity portfolio for the University of Notre Dame endowment for over a decade, during which they studied approximately 15 top-tier investment institutions (e.g., Lone Pine, Tiger Management, Bridgewater, Dynamo). They found that the decline of many excellent fund managers was not due to investment skill, but to structural issues—short-term LP pressure, team bloat, and misaligned incentives. These observations directly led to the design of Sator Grove.
• Mechanism Breakdown: Sator Grove is a private holding company, not a traditional fund. Its key design features include:
• Permanent Capital: No fund maturity date, no need for periodic fundraising, allowing for indefinite asset holding.
• Budget-Based Compensation: Managers receive a fixed salary, not a management fee based on Assets Under Management (AUM). Incentives come from a "capital multiple + hard compounding hurdle": managers receive no compensation beyond their salary until net assets double (2X); after doubling, they receive 15% of the excess return above a 6% annualized compounding hurdle.
• Shareholders as Partners: All shareholders are individuals/families (no institutional capital) whom the two know, like, trust, and admire. The largest shareholder is Mitch Rales, co-founder of Danaher.
• Full Commitment: The two sold their houses and emptied their retirement accounts to invest all personal assets into Sator Grove.
• Deduction & Signals: This structure aims to minimize the risk of "compounding interruption." A signal to validate its effectiveness is: whether, during periods of market downturn or underperformance (e.g., 3-5 consecutive years of lagging), they can maintain shareholder stability without being forced to sell assets.

2. "X" and "N": The Two Variables of the Compounding Equation

Paul Buser proposes that in the compounding equation (Result = Growth Rate ^ Time), "Time (N)" is far more important than "Growth Rate (X)," and most people and institutions mistakenly focus on finding the high-growth "X."

• Mechanism Breakdown: The two teach an "Art of Investing" course at the University of Notre Dame, where the core is deconstructing this equation. They point out:
• X (Growth Rate): Is "what you are good at," the thing that can be compounded. Finding it requires deep self-awareness and focus.
• N (Time Exponent): Is "how long you can persist." This is the rarer and harder-to-maintain variable. "Any number multiplied by zero is zero"—once the compounding process is interrupted due to structure, trust, or habits, everything resets to zero.
• The "X" Trap: Professor Andre Perold points out that if you find a truly great "X" (e.g., a company that can compound for 10-15 years), it will eventually make up over 90% of your portfolio, which can be frightening because it implies extreme concentration and a lack of diversification.
• Data & Analogy: They cite data showing that over 100% of the long-term returns in the US stock market were generated by less than 4% of stocks. This proves the value of finding and holding a few "X's" for the long term. They analogize this to human brain development: rapid growth in the first 20 years, but maintaining the ability to learn (compounding knowledge) later in life requires deliberately cultivated habits.
• Deduction: For individuals, the key is not to chase short-term high returns, but to build systems and habits that allow for continuous learning, growth, and commitment, thereby infinitely extending one's own "N."

3. Talent Evaluation: "Judgment" and "Character" Beyond IQ

Rick Buhrman emphasizes that when evaluating investment managers or founders, the two most important inputs are "judgment" and "character," and the "slope of the learning curve" is more important than "current ability."

• Mechanism Breakdown: Based on case studies of 15 top-tier investment institutions, they found that success is highly "idiosyncratic," but commonalities exist:
• Judgment & Character: This is the foundation of trust. They need to be confident that over a 10-20 year partnership, the other party's behavior will not surprise them.
• Learning Slope: A person's current ability is static, but their growth potential over the next 10-20 years depends on the trajectory of their learning ability. They look for "learning machines," like Charlie Munger, who maintained a voracious intellectual curiosity well into his 90s.
• Signal Mechanism: They have led multiple financing rounds but have never drafted a term sheet themselves, instead letting the founder write it. This is a trust test: if you can't trust them to draft the terms, you shouldn't partner with them.
• Negative Case: What they dislike most is seeing fund managers knowingly follow industry conventions that are unreasonable. For example, a simple strategy that doesn't need a large team or complex processes, but expands its team and adds processes due to LP expectations, eventually leading to organizational complexity that stifles investment flexibility.
• Deduction: When evaluating talent, most effort should be spent understanding their character, values, and long-term willingness to learn, rather than their short-term performance or educational background. The CEOs and founders they invest in have been known to them for an average of 8-10 years, some for as long as 20 years.

4. The "Enemy" of Compounding: The Ugly Truth of Institutional Investing

Paul Buser points out that large institutional investors (e.g., endowments, pensions) universally suffer from a "collapsing time horizon," which is the greatest enemy of compounding.

• Mechanism Breakdown: Despite these institutions calling themselves "intergenerational investors," their behavior is highly short-term:
• Extremely Short Average Holding Periods: Whether holding fund managers or underlying companies, the actual holding period is often just a few years.
• Over-Diversification: Due to asset class specialization forming "silos," portfolios explode in size, with each team needing to have "its own thing."
• Overemphasis on "Sourcing": The primary performance metric for investment teams is "how many new investments were made," not "how existing investments are performing." This leads them to favor frequent trading over patient holding.
• Fund Structure Issues: The traditional 5-10 year fund structure forces managers to sell assets mid-cycle, even if those assets still have enormous long-term potential. They give an example of a project returning 3-4x that could have become a 12-15x return if held longer.
• Deduction: These structural problems stem from the agency relationship (agents managing principals' money), leading to incentive structures misaligned with long-term compounding goals. Sator Grove's permanent capital structure is designed specifically to avoid these issues.

Position Moves

Position	Guest Stance	Key Data
Summus Global	Bullish (Core Holding)	Has over 5,000 experts from top academic medical centers; guests serve on the board and led/co-led the last three funding rounds.
Expedition Growth Capital	Bullish (Core Holding)	Have known the founder for 20 years.
Rebuild Manufacturing	Bullish	Founded by former Amazon executive Jeff Wilkie; Sator Grove invested on day one of its existence.
Hill House Capital	Bullish (Case Study)	Evolved from a 2005 China-only, long-only public equity fund into a global, all-stage investor incubating new businesses; in biotech, Hill House participated in at least 3 of the first batch of CFDA-approved drugs in China.
Durable Capital Partners	Neutral (Observation & Learning)	Founder Henry Ellenbogen, praised by guests for his "intellectual flexibility" to reassess situations during market upheavals.
Lone Pine Capital	Bullish (Case Study)	Founder Steve Mandel, known for extreme humility and a culture of "making yourself small and others big."
Tiger Management	Bullish (Case Study)	Founder Julian Robertson, the source of the Tiger Cub network.
Danaher	Bullish (Learning Object)	Co-founder Mitch Rales is Sator Grove's largest shareholder; Danaher is known for a 45-year track record of 23% annualized compound growth, with the core value "the best team wins."
Berkshire Hathaway	Bullish (Learning Object)	The 1989 shareholder letter was one of the most important documents when founding Sator Grove; Todd Combs joined due to the pursuit of a permanent capital structure.
Housatonic Partners	Bullish (Learning Object)	Founder Will Thorndike, whose firm has held some assets for up to 25 years, achieving extraordinary capital multiples.

Judgments Worth Remembering

1. "Any number multiplied by zero is zero" (Rick Buhrman): Interruption of compounding is the greatest risk. The primary goal in designing investment structures, trust, and habits should be to prevent the compounding process from being accidentally terminated.

2. "Find your X, nurture your N" (Summarized by Patrick O'Shaughnessy): X is your core advantage (growth rate), N is how long you can persist (the exponent). Most people are obsessed with finding X, but what truly determines long-term outcomes is N.

3. "We have never drafted a term sheet ourselves" (Rick Buhrman): Letting the founder draft the terms is an extreme trust test. If you can't trust them to set the rules of cooperation, you shouldn't start.

4. "We designed the firm to have enough resources to do the job well, but that's it" (Rick Buhrman): Sator Grove uses budget-based compensation, not management fees. This eliminates the impulse to scale up and forces the team to stay lean and focused.

5. "Until we double net assets, no compensation accrues to us beyond our salary" (Paul Buser): The incentive structure is a "capital multiple + hard compounding hurdle." This ensures the interests of managers and shareholders are perfectly aligned over the long term.

6. "Great companies build winning teams... they are often built by a 'charismatic personality,' and succession is always extremely difficult" (Paul Buser): Two key commonalities derived from case studies. This explains why many excellent funds struggle to transcend generations.

7. "When we evaluate talent, the key inputs are judgment and character... and the slope of their learning curve" (Rick Buhrman): Current ability is static, while long-term partnership depends on the other party's growth potential and behavioral predictability over the next 10-20 years.

8. "If you truly find a great X, it will make up over 90% of your portfolio" (Andre Perold, paraphrased): This reveals the paradox of "focus" versus "diversification." True long-term compounding inevitably comes with extreme concentration, which requires immense courage and conviction.