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Colossus (Invest Like the Best / Business Breakdowns)Podcast12 Mar 2020Source: investlikethebest.libsyn.comHost: Patrick O'Shaughnessy

Bryan Krug – An Update on Corporate Credit - [Invest Like the Best, EP.161]

In plain words

This piece explains how the corporate bond market is reacting to the COVID-19 pandemic and the oil price war. Bryan Krug says the panic is real but different from 2008—companies have less debt and better quality, so the shock may be temporary, lasting a quarter or two. He highlights three holdings: GE bonds fell on downgrade fears but later returned 30-40%, showing opportunity; Hilton and Boeing both fully drew down their credit lines, signaling cash concerns and risk.

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At a Glance

Bryan Krug (Credit Strategist at Artisan Partners), in a podcast on March 12, 2020, analyzed the current state of the corporate credit market under the dual shocks of the COVID-19 pandemic and the Saudi-Russia oil price war. Core assessment: Panic selling and severe repricing have already emerged in the high-yield bond and investment-grade markets, but market structure and leverage levels are far superior to those during the 2008 financial crisis. Therefore, this crisis should not be equated with 2008.

~10 min full read · 6 sections
Deep Analysis

Theme 1: Market Repricing Under Dual Shocks – Panic Has Arrived, but the Structure Differs

Bryan Krug argues that the corporate credit market has experienced two major shocks over the past two weeks: first, a broad demand shock from the COVID-19 pandemic affecting industries such as consumer, aviation, and cruise lines; second, a "nuclear war"-style oil price war between Saudi Arabia and Russia, causing crude prices to plummet and rendering shale oil unsustainable at $30 per barrel. The combination of these two forces has triggered a "massive risk repricing across all asset classes," with credit spreads widening sharply and panic selling reminiscent of 2008.

However, Krug emphasizes that the current market structure is fundamentally different from 2008 and should not be simplistically compared:

  • Leverage levels are far lower than in 2008: In 2008, banks and leveraged funds could apply leverage of up to approximately 8x to credit investments, and there were about $250 billion in announced but unfinished LBO deals (creating potential supply pressure); currently, such committed deals are "likely less than $10 billion."
  • Higher market quality: The 2008 default cycle was driven by highly leveraged LBOs (e.g., TXU, Univision, Clear Channel); the late 1990s default cycle was driven by "business plan financing" in the telecom sector (accounting for about a quarter of the market). Currently, the energy sector's share of the high-yield bond market has fallen from 9-10% five years ago to low double digits, and the surviving issuers have higher asset quality and lower costs.
  • Krug views the COVID-19 pandemic as a "transitory event": He believes "there will likely be a cure within 12 months," so the shock may last one to two quarters, rather than the systemic collapse of a financial crisis.

> Quote: "This isn't a financial crisis event to the same magnitude in my opinion." — This means Krug explicitly characterizes the current shock as a milder, shorter-lived event compared to 2008.


Theme 2: High-Yield Bond Market Composition and Real Risk Exposure in the Energy Sector

Bryan Krug notes that the high-yield bond market currently stands at approximately $1.3 trillion, with major sectors including TMT (Telecom, Media, Technology), Energy, and Healthcare. The specific composition of the energy sector is as follows:

  • E&P (Exploration & Production): approximately 6-7%
  • MLP (Master Limited Partnerships): similar or slightly higher
  • Oilfield Services: approximately 1%
  • Total low double-digit percentage, down from 9-10% five years ago (when a large number of second- and third-tier operators had already gone bankrupt or exited the market).

Key data points:

  • Current energy company bond prices range from 10 cents on the dollar to 70 cents on the dollar, with no energy bond priced above 75 cents on the dollar (at par value). Krug estimates that, based on actual prices, the energy sector's "real risk exposure" may be only 40-50 cents on the dollar, far below the nominal exposure.
  • The "survivors" in the energy sector hold higher-quality assets and lower-cost acreage, but valuations have already declined significantly.

Krug's assessment of the energy sector: Oil at $30/barrel is unsustainable for Saudi Arabia, Russia, and shale producers alike. However, the current price is the result of a demand shock (COVID-19) combined with increased supply (Saudi policy), and its duration depends on Saudi policy and the evolution of the pandemic (at least 2-3 quarters). He cautions that default risk in the energy sector is real, but actual losses may be smaller than nominal exposure due to bond discounts.


Theme 3: Opportunities in "Fallen Angels" – Capital Vacuums from Investment Grade Downgrades

Bryan Krug believes that one of the biggest opportunities in the current market comes from "fallen angels"—bonds that were originally investment grade (IG) but face downgrade risk and are already trading like high-yield debt. His logic is as follows:

  • Capital Vacuum: Investment-grade accounts are forced to sell due to rating constraints (the IG market is roughly four times the size of the high-yield market, creating a 4:1 seller imbalance), while high-yield investors hesitate to buy, expecting lower prices after the downgrade.
  • Companies Have Leverage to Pull: IG companies typically have more "leverage" (e.g., asset sales, dividend cuts), and downgrades are not inevitable. Krug cites GE as an example: in the fall of 2018, GE bonds fell to single-B to double-B valuation levels amid downgrade panic, but the company avoided a downgrade through asset divestitures. Over the following 18 months, its bonds delivered 30% (price return) to nearly 40% (total return including interest).
  • Sectors Currently Exhibiting "Fallen Angel" Characteristics: Airlines, cruise lines, MLPs, and the automotive industry.

Krug emphasizes that he does not base his investments on government bailouts or aid, but rather on conservative cash flow forecasts and asset value analysis. He is willing to take on greater "mark-to-market risk" provided the potential returns are "equity-like."

> Quote: "We don't bank or make an investment thesis predicated on like a bailout or aid. I just think that's too risky and unpredictable." — This means Krug insists on independent credit analysis without relying on policy intervention.


Theme 4: Warning Signals from the Credit Market for Equity Investors

Bryan Krug suggests that equity investors should closely monitor the following credit market indicators:

1. Credit Spreads: The spread between investment-grade and high-yield bonds is a core gauge of market risk appetite. Currently, the high-yield spread has surged from 365 basis points one month ago to approximately 660 basis points (as of the morning of the podcast recording), and is expected to approach 750–800 basis points after market close. Historical extremes include roughly 2,000 basis points during the 2008 financial crisis and around 1,000 basis points in 1991 and the late 1990s.

2. Loan Market: Loan prices are based on LIBOR, which has declined alongside interest rates. The loan market has limited energy exposure (2–3%), but its relative value has deteriorated due to the sharp drop in high-yield bond prices.

3. Large-Scale Drawdowns of Credit Lines by Corporations: For example, Hilton and Boeing have fully drawn their revolving credit facilities. Krug believes this may be "insurance behavior" (fear of being unable to draw in the future) or a concern over cash burn, but notes that the current banking system is healthy, unlike the solvency crisis of 2008.

Krug concludes: A healthy credit market is a vital support for the equity market—it enables companies to engage in M&A, capital expenditures, and leveraged buyouts, indirectly benefiting equity investors. A collapse in the credit market would cut off these activities.


Mentioned Positions

Position Analyst Stance Key Data
GE (General Electric) Positive case (fallen angel opportunity) Bonds fell to single-B/double-B valuations in fall 2018, later delivered ~30% (price) to nearly 40% (total return) gains
Hilton Risk warning (fully drawn credit facility) Specific amount not disclosed
Boeing Risk warning (fully drawn credit facility) Specific amount not disclosed
Kraft Neutral (downgrade case) Company chose not to cut dividends to maintain investment-grade rating
TXU, Univision, Clear Channel, Harris Entertainment Historical comparison (2008 high-leverage LBO cases) Drivers of the 2008 default cycle

Key Takeaways

1. Bryan Krug argues that the core difference between the current high-yield bond market and the 2008 financial crisis lies in leverage levels—in 2008, banks and funds could leverage up to 8x, with $250 billion in pending LBO supply pressure, whereas currently it is "likely less than $10 billion."

2. Krug notes that the actual risk exposure in energy sector bonds is far smaller than the nominal exposure—current energy bond prices range between 10-70 cents on the dollar, with none exceeding 75 cents on the dollar, so "the actual risk exposure may only be 40-50% of face value."

3. Krug suggests that the "fallen angel" opportunity stems from a capital vacuum between the investment-grade and high-yield markets—the investment-grade market is four times the size of the high-yield market, downgrade fears create a 4:1 selling force, while high-yield buyers hold back expecting lower prices, resulting in pricing dislocation.

4. Krug emphasizes that he does not base his investment thesis on government bailouts or assistance, but rather on conservative cash flow forecasts and asset value analysis—he is willing to bear "mark-to-market risk" provided the potential return reaches "equity-like returns."

5. Krug judges that the COVID-19 pandemic is a "transitory event" rather than a systemic financial crisis—"a cure is likely within 12 months," so the impact may last one to two quarters rather than causing permanent damage.

6. Krug advises that equity investors should closely monitor credit spreads (currently around 660-800 basis points, with historical extremes at 2,000 basis points) and corporate credit line drawdowns as leading indicators of credit market health.

7. Krug points out that the high-yield bond market has historically had only three negative-return years in over 30 years, and 2020 year-to-date is already the second worst—but current valuations have begun to reflect "recession levels," providing "some valuation support."

8. Krug believes that the current market quality is higher than in 2008—survivors in the energy sector have higher asset quality and lower costs, and overall market leverage is lower, so the severity of defaults may be less than in 2008.