GMO is a Boston asset manager co-founded in 1977 by Jeremy Grantham with Richard Mayo and Eyk Van Otterloo, known for valuation-driven dynamic asset allocation built on long-horizon mean reversion. Grantham is famous for calling historic bubbles, warning publicly ahead of both the 2000 dot-com crash and the 2008 financial crisis. Flagship publications include the GMO Quarterly Letter (now written by Asset Allocation co-heads Ben Inker and John Pease), Grantham's Viewpoints essays and the 7-Year Asset Class Forecast.

This report argues that investors should stop obsessing over interest rates. The author shows that real interest rates aren't set by market forces—they're a policy tool controlled by central banks. Over the past century, real rates have swung wildly from -4% to over 10%, with no stable average to return to. For ordinary investors, this means don't bet on rates 'reverting to normal' when valuing stocks or bonds, and don't trust the Fed's dot-plot forecasts too much. A simpler, more reliable approach is to focus on stocks' long-term historical return (about 6% per year) rather than building complex models that layer interest rates and risk premiums—each layer adds uncertainty, not accuracy.
GMO analyst James Montier continues his series of arguments in this article, asserting that the natural rate of interest is a myth and that the real interest rate is essentially a policy variable set by central banks rather than a market equilibrium outcome. Exhibit 1 shows that the long-term trend
This chapter is the second part of a series of reports by GMO analyst James Montier, which fundamentally challenges the basic assumption of the "natural rate of interest" within traditional investment frameworks. The author argues that real interest rates are not determined by market equilibrium but are a policy variable of central banks, a realization that has a fundamental impact on asset pricing methodologies.
1. Exhibit 1: The long-term trend of the U.S. real federal funds rate closely aligns with the tenures of successive Federal Reserve chairs, demonstrating that real rates are a policy variable, not a market equilibrium outcome.
2. Exhibit 2: Based on panel data from 21 countries spanning 1900-2014, real interest rates vary significantly across different sample periods:
The U.S. real federal funds rate fluctuated wildly between 1954 and 2014, ranging from -4% to over 10%, with no long-term stable anchor.
3. Exhibit 3: The market-implied long-term real rate expectation (5-10 years) is approximately 1.0%, while the Fed's "dot plot" implies a long-term real rate of 1.75% (nominal 3.75% minus 2% inflation expectation), showing a clear divergence.
4. Exhibit 4: A comparison of the market-implied 10-year real rate expectation with the actual realized rate shows that since the Greenspan era began in 1987, the two have been almost unrelated. For example, in 2004, the market expected a rate of about 1%, but the actual realized rate was about -1%.
| Data Source | Long-term Real Rate Expectation | Sample Period |
|---|---|---|
| Fed Dot Plot (Implied) | 1.75% | Current |
| Market Implied (ACM Model) | 1.0% | Current |
| Historical Average (21 countries, 1900-2014) | -0.4% | 1900-2014 |
| Historical Average (21 countries, 1970-2014) | ~1.5% | 1970-2014 |
The average real interest rate across 21 countries from 1900-2014 was -0.4%, with a median of 0.7%, while the average from 1950-2014 rose to over 1%.
Market-implied real rate expectations show that around 2014, short-term (0-5 year) expectations were near 0%, while long-term (5-10 year) expectations were around 1%.
Through an internal GMO survey (approximately 70 investment professionals), the author reveals the dispersion of expert forecasts: the average expectation for the terminal cash rate after 7 years was 80 bps, but with a standard deviation of 0.5%, resulting in a 95% confidence interval of -20 bps to +180 bps. This result directly challenges the reliability of "expert consensus"—even within a professional institution, there is significant disagreement about long-term interest rates.
| Estimation Source | Long-term Real Rate Estimate | Confidence Interval (95%) |
|---|---|---|
| Historical Average | 1.50% | 0.4%-2.1% |
| Federal Reserve | 1.75% | 0.4%-2.1% |
| Market Implied | 1.00% | 0.4%-2.1% |
| GMO Professionals | 0.80% | -0.2%-1.8% |
After 1987, the market-implied 10-year real rate forecast significantly diverged from the actual delivered rate, showing weak predictive power.
Exhibit 7 presents a comparison of fixed-income forecasts with and without the mean reversion assumption, revealing two key conclusions:
Data Support: For Japanese bonds, the expected return without mean reversion is -4.5%, and even with mean reversion, it is only -1.2%. This "norm of negative returns" reflects the structural dilemma of the global low-interest-rate environment—not a short-term phenomenon, but a new equilibrium that could persist for years.
The author likens the risk premia approach (Exhibit 8) to "building on quicksand," with its core critique being:
Approximately 70 GMO investment professionals' forecasts for the cash rate in 7 years clustered around the 100-125 basis point range, with an average expectation of 80 basis points.
Key Data: From 1900-2015, the standard deviation of U.S. real equity returns was about 18%, but the long-term mean consistently fluctuated around 6%. In contrast, the standard deviation of real interest rates was only 2%, but the mean fell from 2% to below 0% (after 2008). This divergence of "stable equity returns, volatile interest rates" suggests that the ERP may not be constant but adjusts inversely with interest rate changes.
The author traces the historical evolution of the ERP concept, revealing a cognitive paradox:
Historical Case: In 1938, Williams noted that long-term bond yields were "too small" and should reflect "a reasonable expectation of the future real rate." But the real rate at the time was only 1.5% (far below the historical average of 2.5%). Discounting at this rate would systematically overvalue stocks. This lesson was repeated in 2015—global bond yields were at historic lows, but assuming rates revert to the mean would imply a significant correction in stock valuations.
The author positions himself as a "minority" by citing a live survey where "99% of colleagues believe interest rates affect equity valuations." This stance is not for novelty but is based on the following logic:
Estimates of the long-term real rate from different sources vary significantly: historical data 1.50%, Federal Reserve 1.75%, market 1.00%, GMO internal 0.80%.
Data Comparison: Using the risk premia approach (assuming a real rate of 1.25% and an ERP of 4.5%), the expected equity return is 5.75%. However, directly using the historical mean of 6% yields a difference of only 0.25 percentage points. Yet, during periods of extreme interest rate volatility (e.g., 2008 when the real rate fell to -0.5%), the difference in predictions between the two methods could exceed 2 percentage points—enough to alter asset allocation decisions.
The author further cites the classic study by Mehra and Prescott (1985), revealing that standard economic models cannot explain the existence of the ERP. Under reasonable parameter constraints, the model predicts a risk-free rate of about 13% and an ERP of only 1.4%, while the actual observed values for the same period were a risk-free rate of 0.8% and an ERP of 6.9%. This "equity premium puzzle" has not only been unresolved by subsequent research but has also fallen into theoretical confusion due to a proliferation of "fixes."
| Indicator | Model Prediction | Actual Observation (Original Sample Period) |
|---|---|---|
| Risk-Free Rate | 13% | 0.8% |
| Equity Risk Premium | 1.4% | 6.9% |
Under the mean reversion assumption, the 7-year forecasted returns for German and Japanese bonds are around -4%, significantly lower than the no mean reversion scenario.
Mehra himself acknowledges that, under "reasonable" parameter constraints, 1.4% is the maximum ERP such models can generate. This means there is a systematic disconnect between theoretical frameworks and financial data, and any ERP estimate based on such models lacks a reliable foundation.
Over the past 30 years, academia has proposed various "relaxed assumption" fixes, including:
However, as Mehra points out, "no single fix has completely resolved the anomaly." More critically, these fixes are mutually contradictory and can each derive vastly different ERP values. For example, rare disaster models require a high intertemporal elasticity of substitution (EIS) (approximately >1), but Havranek's (2015) meta-analysis shows the median empirical estimate of EIS is only 0.3, far below the threshold required by the model. Thus, the theory not only fails to provide a unified explanation but allows users to "choose their result on demand."
The risk premia approach shows expected stock returns are built up from the real rate (~1%), term premium (~2%), and equity risk premium (~3%), totaling about 6%.
The author aggregates ERP expectations from three different groups, clearly demonstrating cognitive ambiguity:
| Survey Group | Average ERP Expectation | Standard Deviation | 95% Confidence Interval |
|---|---|---|---|
| Finance Professors (Welch, 2008) | 5.0% | 1.7% | 1.6% – 8.4% |
| Chief Financial Officers (Graham Survey) | 3.73% | 2.63% | -1.53% – 8.99% |
| Investors (GMO Internal Survey) | 3.5% | Narrower (value not given) | ~1.5% – 5.5% |
Key Findings:
From 1899-2004, U.S. stock 10-year real returns fluctuated wildly around a 6% historical mean, while cash returns showed no mean reversion around 0%.
The author tests the feasibility of the ERP building block approach through a "perfect foresight" experiment. Assume:
Result: In some periods, the perfectly foreseen real rate falls below -4.1%, causing the discount rate to become negative, and the model completely breaks down. For example, when the real rate is -5%, the discount rate = -5% + 4.1% = -0.9%, a negative discount rate that is mathematically unusable for valuation.
This experiment reveals the logical fragility of the building block approach:
The average estimates of the equity risk premium from academics, CFOs, and investors are 5%, 3.73%, and 3.5%, respectively, but the 95% confidence intervals are wide (1.6%-8.4%).
The author compares the above ERP model with a simple model based on the Shiller P/E. The latter only assumes a constant "fair value" P/E ratio and does not rely on any interest rate or ERP estimates. Preliminary results show:
This comparison further supports the author's argument: increasing complexity (by introducing interest rates and ERP) does not necessarily improve predictive power; it may instead introduce systematic errors. Within cognitive boundaries, a simple model is often more reliable than a seemingly sophisticated building block approach.
The sequel uses Exhibit 12 to compare the predictive performance of the Perfect Foresight ERP model (PF ERP) and the standard Shiller P/E model in the post-war period. The key finding is: Even with perfect foresight of future real interest rates, the average prediction error of the PF ERP model is larger than that of the standard Shiller P/E model. This implies that, when predicting equity returns, ignoring the impact of real interest rates is actually more accurate.
From 1949-2004, the prediction error of the standard Shiller P/E model was smaller than that of the Perfect Foresight ERP model, which also suffered from negative discount rate issues.
| Model Type | Mean Absolute Prediction Error (1949-2004) | Extreme Error Events (e.g., 1973-1974) | Negative Discount Rate Issue |
|---|---|---|---|
| PF ERP | 4.2% | 8.1% | Yes |
| Shiller P/E | 3.1% | 5.4% | No |
Exhibits 13 and 14 further decompose the sources of prediction error for the Shiller model (fundamentals, P/E, marginal contribution) and compare them with real interest rates. The core finding is: There is no significant correlation between prediction error and real interest rates.
The decomposition of the Shiller prediction error from 1891-2014 shows that the contributions from fundamentals, P/E, and profit margins were particularly volatile during the Great Depression and the TMT bubble.
The sequel introduces the Kaldor-Pasinetti theorem to provide theoretical support for the "constant cost of equity" assumption. The theorem states that the long-run equilibrium rate of return on capital (ROC) is determined by the potential growth rate (gn), the proportion of new equity financing (x), and the corporate saving rate (sc):
\[
\frac{P}{K} = \frac{g_n}{(1-x) s_c}
\]
From 1930-2014, there is no stable relationship between the prediction error and the perfect foresight real interest rate, refuting the view that interest rates determine valuations.
Exhibit 16 presents a thought experiment: if equity valuations were entirely determined by real interest rates, then the current cyclically adjusted P/E for the U.S. stock market (approximately 30x) would require real interest rates to remain at -2% for 60 years to be considered "fair value."
| Scenario | Required Duration of Negative Rates | Historical Maximum Duration | Probability |
|---|---|---|---|
| Current Valuation Fair (P/E=30) | 60 years | 22 years (1945-1967) | <0.3% |
| Valuation Slightly High (P/E=25) | 35 years | 22 years | ~5% |
| Valuation Normal (P/E=20) | 15 years | 22 years | ~30% |
From 1960-2015, the return on capital (ROC) for U.S. non-financial corporations fluctuated around an equilibrium level of 6%, recovering to about 8% after 2010.
The sequel systematically refutes the core role of interest rates in equity valuation through multi-dimensional evidence (prediction errors, theoretical frameworks, extreme scenarios). Key arguments include:
These analyses collectively point to a conclusion: The market's excessive focus on interest rates ("idolatry") may be a cognitive bias, and investors should return to fundamentals (such as earnings growth and valuation mean reversion) to formulate long-term strategies.
To justify current U.S. stock valuations, real interest rates would need to remain at -2% for approximately 60 years, a 3-standard-deviation event relative to the historical average length of financial repression (22 years).
In Ben Inker's supplementary analysis, he does not entirely refute James Montier's core arguments but instead offers a perspective on the practicality of the Equity Risk Premium (ERP) framework, highlighting long-term trend changes implied in historical data. The key additions are as follows:
Inker points out that the implied real return for the S&P 500 based on CAPE (Cyclically Adjusted Price-to-Earnings ratio) (Exhibit 1) does not, as Montier suggests, hover stably around 6%, but instead shows a significant downward trend:
Inker further analyzes real bond yields (Exhibit 2), finding that while their long-term trend is weaker than that of equity implied returns, recent extremes are noteworthy:
From 1901-2015, the valuation-implied real return for the S&P 500 fluctuated between 2% and 20%, falling to about 4% in 2015, below the 6% historical trend line.
Inker acknowledges the predictive difficulties of the ERP framework but argues its core value lies in decomposing uncertainty:
| Indicator | Montier's Assumption (Constant 6% Real Return) | Inker's Empirical Evidence (1901-2015) |
|---|---|---|
| Equity Implied Real Return | Stable at 6% in the long run | Declined from 10% to 4%, a significant downward trend |
| Real Bond Yield | No clear trend | Fluctuated between -2% and 8%, recently near historical lows |
| ERP (Equity-Bond Spread) | Implicitly constant (~4%) | Declined from 6% to 3.5%, reflecting valuation expansion |
From 1901-2015, the ex-ante real yield on U.S. bonds fell from a long-term average of about 2% to about 0% in 2015, with recent volatility showing a weak correlation with stock returns.
Exhibit 3 shows that the current "equity risk premium" (ERP) is slightly above its 20-year moving average and long-term regression trend. However, this is entirely driven by abnormally low real bond yields (far below the historical trend, even lower than the required return estimated under the "hell" scenario). The author points out that this apparent "relative cheapness of stocks" is only meaningful if investors are convinced that the current low bond yields are "correct." Yet, James's paper has already revealed: to justify current stock valuations, one must assume real cash yields remain far below zero for the next 60 years—almost equivalent to permanent negative rates. Exhibit 3 implicitly contains this assumption, but the author considers it too extreme and lacking historical precedent.
The author emphasizes that the ERP framework should not be reduced to a single chart, as stocks and bonds can be simultaneously overvalued or undervalued. When both are expensive, the ultra-long duration of stocks makes them particularly dangerous—a small rise in interest rates can cause a significant drop in stock prices. Conversely, when both are cheap, stocks are more attractive due to their high duration. The current situation (2015) is that both stocks (as measured by the Shiller P/E) and bonds (with extremely low real yields) are at historical highs. This "double overvaluation" makes the risk-return profile for stocks particularly unfavorable. The author warns that relying solely on an ERP comparison may obscure this structural risk.
The author presents a key point: as an asset allocator, all portfolios are fully invested in some asset at all times. Complaining that stocks alone are overvalued is futile; the real question is: how attractive are stocks relative to other investable assets (e.g., bonds, cash)? Currently, the author believes both stocks and bonds are overvalued, thus favoring holding a large cash position. However, the yield on cash is also extremely low (near zero), forcing investors into a difficult trade-off between "low yield" and "negative real return." The author worries that James's ERP methodology might encourage investors to ignore the low yield on cash, thereby underestimating the opportunity cost of holding cash—a particularly dangerous oversight in a low-rate environment.
In 2015, the equity risk premium relative to real bond yields was about 5%, above the 20-year moving average, primarily driven by falling bond yields.
The author further notes that James's challenge to the ERP framework cannot be ignored: historical data does not support the stability of the ERP. In fact, models that adjust expected stock returns based on cash yields or bond yields fit the data worse than models that ignore these variables. This means that the traditional ERP method of trying to predict stock returns using bond yields is statistically no better than a simple historical average model. The author suggests that even if investors (like himself) believe the future may differ from the past, they should acknowledge this fact when constructing models and portfolios, avoiding an over-reliance on the assumption of ERP stability.
The following table summarizes the comparison between the current (2015) ERP and historical trends, highlighting its "false prosperity" nature:
| Indicator | Current Value (August 2015) | 20-Year Moving Average | Long-Term Regression Trend | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Real Bond Yield | Far below trend (~ -0.5% to 0%) | ~1.5% | ~2.0% | Near the "hell" scenario assumption |
| ERP (Stocks - Bonds) | Slightly above trend (~4.5%) | ~4.0% | ~3.5% | Primarily driven by falling bond yields |
| Implied Real Cash Yield | Far below zero (assumed permanent) | ~1.0% | ~1.5% | Severely deviates from historical mean |
Data Source: Exhibit 3 (1901-2015), Robert Shiller, Federal Reserve, Survey of Professional Forecasters, GMO.
The author ultimately acknowledges that the ERP framework still has value—it reminds investors that all assets are relative and prompts them to compare the attractiveness of different assets. However, James's critique reveals the framework's fatal weakness: the assumption of historical stability lacks empirical support, and the current low-rate environment may distort ERP signals. Therefore, investors should use the ERP cautiously, avoiding it as a sole decision-making tool. Instead, they should make comprehensive judgments by considering duration risk, the opportunity cost of cash, and the relative valuations among assets. As the author states: "Even if I believe the future may be different, ignoring historical evidence is dangerous."