This interview covers computer architect David Patterson's core ideas. He argues that RISC (reduced instruction set) chips beat CISC (complex ones like Intel's x86) because, although RISC runs more instructions, each one executes faster, giving 3-4x overall performance. He's bullish on the open-standard RISC-V architecture, especially for IoT and cloud. Patterson says Moore's Law (chip performance doubling every two years) is dead, and future gains will come from specialized accelerators like machine-learning chips. Key names: Intel (x86 is power-hungry, kept alive by hardware translation), ARM (dominant in phones but hard for RISC-V to displace), and Habana (acquired by Intel for $2B, praised for good software and strong MLPerf benchmark results).
David Patterson, a Turing Award laureate and professor of computer science at UC Berkeley, reflected in an interview on the core contributions of his career: the RISC processor architecture (now adopted by 99% of new chips) and the co-creation of the RAID storage system. He discussed the differences
David Patterson, Turing Award winner and professor of computer science at UC Berkeley, reflected on his career's core contributions in an interview: the RISC processor architecture (currently used in 99% of new chips) and the co-creation of the RAID storage system. He discussed the differences between RISC and CISC architectures, emphasizing the artistry of simplified instruction set design, and introduced the RISC-V open standard instruction set architecture. Additionally, he explored how machine learning is changing computer design, new ML benchmarks, the prospects of quantum computing, the current state of Moore's Law, and the evolution of RAID storage. Patterson noted that the success of RISC architecture stems from the design philosophy of "simplicity is beauty," and that the open standard RISC-V is expected to further drive chip innovation.
David Patterson argues that the core advantage of RISC architecture lies not in the number of instructions, but in the significant reduction of cycles per instruction (CPI), which is the key to its performance superiority over CISC.
Patterson describes his experience with John Hennessy in the 1980s as "radicals" promoting the RISC concept. At that time, the industry widely adopted Complex Instruction Set Computing (CISC), believing that "powerful instructions" could simplify software writing. However, Patterson's team proposed that for rapidly evolving microprocessors, a simpler instruction set was more appropriate.
Patterson believes that the RISC-V open standard instruction set architecture has the potential to become the most popular instruction set in the future, particularly in the IoT and cloud service sectors, though smartphones face higher barriers due to ARM's binary compatibility.
Patterson notes that RISC-V is a project initiated by the Berkeley team in 2010, aiming to learn from the mistakes of past RISC architectures (such as MIPS, ARM, SPARC, etc.) and adopt an open licensing model (BSD license).
Patterson clearly states that Moore's Law (transistor count doubling every two years) is no longer valid, but this is not the end of computing — it marks the beginning of a "new golden age" pivoting toward domain-specific accelerators, particularly machine learning accelerators.
Patterson directly refutes Jim Keller's view that "Moore's Law is still alive," calling it "marketing."
Patterson emphasizes that benchmarking is a key tool to quantify technological progress and eliminate "false claims," citing the success of MLPerf. At the same time, he holds a cautious view on quantum computing, arguing that its commercial application will not materialize until at least 2030.
| Target | Guest Attitude | Key Data |
|---|---|---|
| Intel (x86) | Technical assessment: CISC architecture disadvantage; Commercial assessment: successful but reliant on hardware translation | Dominates PC and data centers; architecture power and area efficiency lower than RISC |
| ARM | Evaluated as a "highly successful RISC architecture", but "proprietary" | Dominates global mobile phone chips; billions of units shipped annually; Apple designs its own ARM cores |
| RISC-V | Bullish, believed likely to become the most popular instruction set | Core instruction set about 40 instructions; December 2019 summit attendees 1,700 (2015: 50) |
| Habana (acquired by Intel) | Positive case, successful due to complete software stack | Intel acquired for $2 billion; excellent MLPerf results |
| Nirvana (acquired by Intel) | Negative case, failed due to lack of software stack | Intel canceled product line; no MLPerf results published |
| Google (TPU) | Mentioned positively, as a benchmark ML accelerator | Co-founded MLPerf |
| Nvidia | Mentioned as MLPerf participant | No specific data provided |
| Apple (A-series chips) | Positive assessment of its self-designed ARM core capabilities | Self-designed chips outperform other ARM vendors |
| IBM | Mentioned positively: early RISC promoter; RAID paper reviewer | Controlled the large disk market in the 1980s |
1. Patterson argues that the core advantage of RISC is that its cycles per instruction (CPI) is as low as about 1/5 of CISC, rather than a smaller number of instructions — although RISC requires executing 25%-50% more instructions, the faster execution speed yields a 3-4x performance improvement.
2. Patterson explicitly states that 'Moore's Law (transistor doubling every two years) is no longer valid', and uses the quantitative evidence that DRAM/Intel microprocessor transistor counts have not achieved an 8x increase over the past six years to refute Jim Keller's 'marketing' view.
3. Patterson believes that machine learning (ML) accelerators will be the primary avenue for computing performance improvement over the next decade, because general-purpose processor performance gains have dropped to a few percentage points per year, and ML core computation (matrix multiplication) is an area where hardware excels.
4. Patterson's proposed design philosophy of 'RISC-V core subset + optional extensions' aims to avoid the drawback of traditional instruction sets 'expanding with age' — the core has only 40 instructions, software can run solely on this basis, but acceleration extensions can be enabled as needed.
5. Patterson cites the original motivation for RAID: replacing a single large IBM mainframe disk with 40 inexpensive PC disks, achieving higher reliability through redundancy (a single large disk failure loses data, while RAID can tolerate multiple failures), while improving performance and reducing cost.
6. Patterson argues that without benchmarks, progress in a field cannot be measured, and cites the successful case of MLPerf — Habana was acquired by Intel for $2 billion due to outstanding MLPerf results, while Nirvana's product line was canceled for not disclosing results.
7. Patterson's judgment on quantum computing: practical use still requires about 10 years (2030), analogizing it to 'nuclear fusion' — the prospects are bright but cannot be relied upon in the short term, and it will be a 'data-center-level' application, with no possibility of a 'quantum phone'.
8. Patterson's measure of a 'successful life': he cites the view of colleague Randy Katz — 'It's not the number of zeros in your bank account; it's the number of inches in your New York Times obituary' — and emphasizes that the impact on others (through education, mentoring, team building) outweighs papers or money.