This interview argues that crypto apps are worse than traditional ones in almost every way, except for being 'uncensorable'—no one can stop you from using them. Guest Adam Ludwin thinks the market is too optimistic, because this advantage doesn't matter to most people. He highlights Bitcoin (very slow, only 7-10 transactions per second vs Visa's 60,000), Ethereum (its ICO raised just $18 million, a rare success), and Bancor (a confusing ICO that raised $150 million, a big risk).
Adam Ludwin (Founder and CEO of Chain) offered a sobering perspective on cryptocurrency during an appearance on the Invest Like the Best podcast. He remains bullish on crypto assets over the long term but is skeptical of the current ecosystem, arguing that decentralized apps have yet to see meaningf
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Guest Adam Ludwin (Founder & CEO of Chain) is a VC-turned-entrepreneur who entered the crypto space early. The main thread of this episode is a calm, balanced examination of the current state and future of cryptocurrencies and decentralized applications (dApps) amid a fervent market. Adam Ludwin argues that decentralized applications are worse than centralized applications in nearly every dimension, and their only irreplaceable advantage is "censorship resistance," a feature that lacks appeal for most ordinary users. Therefore, the current market valuation (approximately $200 billion) reflects "a huge outcome with a very small probability," rather than real-world application.
Adam Ludwin argues that decentralized applications (dApps) are structurally inferior to centralized applications in performance, scalability, and user experience—an inevitable result of their design intent.
Adam Ludwin argues that the only irreplaceable advantage of decentralized applications is "censorship resistance"—the fact that no one can stop you from using it. However, this is not a necessity for most people living in stable societies.
Adam Ludwin strongly opposes launching or investing in ICOs, arguing that while it seems like "picking up a $100 bill on the ground," it is actually a "winner's curse" with long-term negative consequences.
1. Angry "Mob": Once the market corrects, you will face thousands of angry Reddit users ("They will write you letters in blood"), which will become a lifelong burden.
2. Inability to Exit: His co-founder believes that any company that has done an ICO will never be acquired or go public. Facebook wouldn't want to inherit your "angry mob," and investment banks wouldn't underwrite a company with such a "stain."
3. Legal Risk: After a market crash, someone will inevitably be made an example of, facing class-action lawsuits.
| Position | Guest's Stance | Key Data |
|---|---|---|
| Bitcoin | Bullish (as a store of value) | Network ~7-10 tx/sec; Market cap ~$100B; First block contained "Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks" metadata. |
| Ethereum | Bullish (as a platform) | ICO raised only ~$18M; It is a dApp created by Vitalik and others. |
| Zcash | Bullish (as a privacy coin) | Offers stronger anonymity than Bitcoin; potential value for "dark pool" trading in capital markets. |
| Filecoin | Neutral/Risk Warning | Mentioned as a decentralized storage project, but Ludwin questions its pre-ICO valuation and actual demand. |
| Tezos | Risk Warning | As an ICO risk case, investors only received a "promise of future tokens" before issuance. |
| Bancor | Risk Warning | As an ICO case "nobody understood," its FAQ was obscure, yet it raised $150M. |
| Litecoin | Risk Warning | Founder Charlie Lee faced immense public pressure on Twitter, serving as a preview of the post-ICO "angry mob." |
1. "Decentralized applications are worse in almost every dimension. That's by design." — Adam Ludwin. The gaps in performance, scalability, and user experience are structural; any attempt to fix them risks sacrificing decentralization.
2. "If Mark Zuckerberg wanted to buy Bitcoin, the question doesn't even make sense." — Adam Ludwin. dApps cannot be acquired, posing a fundamental challenge to the monopoly of existing tech giants and representing their unique value.
3. "The 'winner's curse' of ICOs: You get the money, but you trade it for an angry mob on Reddit and forever lose the chance to be acquired or go public." — Adam Ludwin. From the issuer's self-interest, he gives a more powerful argument against ICOs than moral condemnation.
4. "The current $200 billion market cap represents 'a huge outcome with a very small probability,' not real-world application." — Adam Ludwin. The market is pricing in the possibility (1%-10%) of decentralized technology disrupting financial and tech giants, not its current use value.
5. "The early internet had chat rooms and email. In crypto, aside from the 'offline' and 'want to be offline' groups, I see no seeds of a killer app." — Adam Ludwin. This is his powerful rebuttal to the optimistic "you just can't see the future" argument, noting that disruptive technologies in history had clear application prototypes early on.
6. "'Censorship resistance' is not a selling point for most Americans. 'I'm finally fed up with Venmo censoring my Starbucks transactions.' — Nobody thinks that." — Adam Ludwin. He uses a vivid example to explain why the core advantage of decentralization lacks appeal for mainstream users.
7. "Crypto assets let you 'go long' on an entire technological trend, like buying an index of the entire 'drone future' instead of betting on one company." — Adam Ludwin. He points out a unique advantage of crypto assets as an investment tool: betting on the entire sector rather than picking winners.
8. "The crypto market is 'leapfrogging' traditional capital markets: It starts with retail investors on the fringe, and institutional investors might be the last to take the baton." — Adam Ludwin. He points out the peculiar phenomenon of a completely opposite issuance path to traditional financial products, hinting at a possible "sweet karma."